Bobby speaks with Dr. John Boik, founder of the Principled Societies Project, which is a science-based effort to design and test pioneering systems that improve well-being and speed the transition to a sustainable society. He is also the president and founder of New Earth BioMed, a 501(c)3 nonprofit cancer research organization, which is working to discover a new generation of safe anticancer therapies based on mixtures of plant products. Dr. Boik received a Bachelor’s of Science degree in civil engineering from the University of Colorado, Boulder, and a Ph.D. in biomedical sciences from the University of Texas, Health Sciences Center, Houston. He also completed postdoctoral work at Stanford University, Department of Statistics and he has written a new book entitled Creating Sustainable Societies: The Rebirth of Democracy and Local Economies - his first book outside the field of biomedical research. In the book, he applies "systems thinking" (an important perspective in biology) to our wider financial, economic, and governance systems.